We recently acquired this silver baseball trophy about which we knew very little. After some time spent researching it on the internet, I discovered quite a bit about it. Often there was only one document that provided a piece of information but after finding several articles from early twentieth century publications, I put together, piece by piece, quite a bit of history of the trophy.
The Boston Wool Trade Association was formed in November 1911. At their first annual outing in Boston in August 1912 members of the Philadelphia Wool and Textile Association were guests of the Boston association. Golf, tennis and a baseball game were on the schedule of activities.
The baseball game was played between the Boston Wool Trade baseball team and the Philadelphia Wool and Textile Association baseball team. This silver trophy was presented to the winning team by the Boston Wool Trade Association. It was donated by Charles J. Webb of Philadelphia. Mr. Webb was one of the organizers of the Philadelphia Wool and Textile Association and held the office of treasurer for that group. The Philadelphia team won the game. The score was 2 to 1.
The second outing was held in Philadelphia on September 19, 1913 where the Philadelphia Wool and Textile Association played host to one hundred and seventy five members of the Boston Wool Trade Association. The two associations alternated where the outing was held between Boston and Philadelphia. A program of activities that included golf, tennis and baseball as well as field sports such as relay races were on the program for each outing as well as a dinner and speeches.
The baseball game was held at the Stenson Avenue Athletic Club where 500 people came to watch the game. Philadelphia won again with a score of 19 to 2 according to the information on the trophy (which varies from the 19 to 1 score as reported in the September 27, 1913 publication "Fibre and Fabric"). The following excerpt is from that article about the event:
"Charles J. Webb was called upon to say a few words in acceptance of the baseball cup for the Philadelphia Association since it was Mr. Webb who donated it. He stated that under the terms of the gift Philadelphia was entitled to hold the cup, having won it twice in succession, but that instead it would be donated to a permanent contest between the two associations. In connection with the afternoon's game, Mr. Webb stated that hereafter no applicant for a position in a Boston wool house would be asked if he could sell wool, but rather, could he play baseball."
That amusing observation was apparently due to the rather large margin by which Philadelphia had won the game.
The textile groups' 1916 outing was in Boston on Friday, September 15, 1916. Six hundred were in attendance which was considerably more than the 470 who were expected to attend. One hundred and twenty five to one hundred and fifty were members of the Philadelphia association who were guests of the Boston association. The outing was held at the Tedesco Country Club, Phillips Beach, Massachusetts with dinner at the Copley Plaza Hotel. There were 550 reservations made for dinner.
The baseball game was at 2 PM. From an article about the outing in the Sept. 23, 1916 issue of Textile World Journal: "Few of those who witnessed the ball game were aware that the natty appearance of the Boston team was due to the new suits provided by Chairman Frank W. Hallowell of the Base Ball Committee at his personal expense. Mr. Hallowell is an old Harvard ball player and maintains an active interest in the national sport." The Boston team won with a score of 17 to 3.
We noticed the absence of the years 1914 and 1915 from the trophy which seemed unusual as it was an annual outing. We did further research and learned that the Executive Committee of the Boston Wool Trade Association canceled the 1914 outing "owing to the terrible conditions now prevailing in Europe and which are liable to grow more serious in the near future." They stated: ". . . our local trade as well as our Philadelphia guests could not feel fully justified in attending a day's festivities with the world's greatest conflict being enacted almost before their eyes." The outing must have been canceled again in 1915, probably for the same reason. In the lengthy description of the 1916 outing found in the September 23, 1916 issue of the publication "Textile World" the 1913 outing was mentioned several times but there was no mention at all of a 1915 outing. Nor was there mention of the war in Europe.
In looking for further references to the groups' outings after 1916, the next one that I could find was in 1920 when the format of the baseball games played was changed to a series of five games, two of which were played in Arlington, Massachusetts at Spy Pond on September 11 and three in Philadelphia at Fleisher's Field on September 17, 18 and 19. As no dates beyond 1916 were engraved on the trophy, we have concluded that the entry of the U.S. into the war in the spring of 1917 resulted in the groups canceling their annual meetings again and that the meetings were resumed after the war was over.
In 1922 the tenth annual banquet of the Boston Wool Trade Association was held on March 2 at the Copley Plaza in Boston and was attended by 900 members and guests. They had a banquet, speeches, men in ballet outfits jumping out of fake bales of wool, piano playing, making witty repartee, and lampooning prominent members of the wool trade in a mock trial. No sports were on the program. At the banquet they provided a memento in the form of a booklet stamped in gold "1912-1922" which contained the banquet menu, list of association officers, guests, and members and a facsimile of a 1894 letter about the idea for the association.
From the scheduling of the 1922 meeting it is clear that they had decided to hold their meetings in the spring rather than in late summer. And that they no longer included golf, tennis and baseball in the program, sports which would have been impractical to play in March in Boston when snow could still be covering the ground. Thus there would have been no more need to use a baseball trophy as an award.
Due to the trophy having been part of an event where business and events of the time were discussed and then later reported on, our research on the history of the trophy and the textile associations brought up articles that described the political climate of the time, the working conditions of textile workers, the role of unions, the change in hours of the work week, the impact of war, and the concerns of those in the textile industry regarding the environment, politics, business, and law.
On some subjects such as the environment, the men attending the meetings had many of the same concerns as we have now. Depending on what interests you, this trophy can be looked at from different angles: as a sports, business and/or cultural artifact of that particular period of time leading up to the first World War. It could be of interest to collectors of baseball memorabilia as well as to collectors of items related to the textile industry and to collectors of items that just are fascinating in how they connect to important events in our history as a people and a country.
We are listing the trophy on ebay on an auction that closes on March 3. If you are interested and want to see if it is still available, click here to visit us on eBay to see if the listing is still there and to browse through our other over 900 items on eBay.
What has been occurring on eBay is that some with larceny in their heart also save the images from listings that have sold for thousands of dollars along with the descriptions from these listings. Some time later these exact same images and descriptions appear again in eBay listings being offered for sale by auction by zero feedback sellers. This happens not only in the categories that interest us but in any category where there are items sold for thousands of dollars. Jewelry, designer purses, coins, dolls, any item that has sold or can be valued at a lot of money. The minimum bid for the item offered by the zero feedback seller (or low feedback seller) is always very low in relation to the item's true value.
Often the item is listed as being for sale with returns accepted which gives the appearance that if someone buys it and doesn't like it that they can get their money back if they return it. But the intention of the alleged seller is not to sell it on eBay. What they are hoping is that someone will write them a message and offer them money to sell it to them off of eBay. When they get a high enough offer and terms of payment that satisfy them, they end the listing and collect the money.
If they actually "sold" it on eBay and the buyer paid them through Paypal, the buyer could get their money back when the item failed to arrive. But if the seller gets them to sell it off of ebay, which is what the seller wants, and the buyer pays with a form of payment that offers no protection, the buyer will be out of luck when the item never comes.
On ebay there is a link on each listing where you can report an item to eBay when you know that there is fraudulent intent. I have reported the listings where I know that the seller does not own the item that they are offering for sale. More often than not eBay does not end the listing. I know of one case where a listing came down that I reported and was apparently ended by eBay but only one. I am sure that other users of eBay are reporting bogus listings too as there are a lot of bidders who have seen the same listings that I have seen back when the listings were of the same items when they truly were for sale. I am sure that the actual purchasers of those items have seen the bogus listings. I don't know if they have reported them but I can hope that they have. I feel sure that I am not the only one reporting bogus listings!
Once the auction begins, the zero feedback seller lets bids come in and the listing ends days before its scheduled ending time. The scenario that I imagine has happened is that the overly optimistic buyer believes that they have convinced the seller to sell the item off of eBay for a price that is low in relation to what the item is worth. The buyer pays according to the seller's terms. The item never arrives. The buyer is left with no item, without the money that they paid and with almost no recourse other than contacting the police to see if they can get them to go after the cons who could be anywhere in the U.S. or maybe even outside of the U.S.
There is some chance that there are savvy ebayers who play around with the con artists, convince them to take the listing down, and then just never send the money. What is the con artist going to do then? Complain to eBay or the police?
I don't know if that ever happens as I have no way of knowing exactly what occurs after the seller closes the listing. I hope that it isn't always a case of a buyer losing money.
There was one time that a low feedback Florida seller took an image from one of our pricier listings and then used it along with other stolen images to create a listing that appeared to be offering something for a bargain price. I sent messages to ebay and to others whose images also were being used. The listing was not taken down. The listing ran its course and the "winning" bidder in that case eventually left a negative feedback for the seller that indicated that the seller was a thief. I know for sure that the seller did not own the item as the item was ours.
There is an old saying that if it looks too good to be true, it often is. The hope of getting a great bargain gets people to take foolish risks when they see what looks like a steal on ebay and then they lose their money. If the situation looks too good to be true, don't fall for it!
Do business in a straightforward honest manner. That makes it much much harder for a con to get the upper hand.
In 2008 my father-in-law died of Lewy Body Dementia. While it is not a rare form of dementia, many people have never heard of it. It is often misdiagnosed as something else such as Alzheimer's. If certain prescription medications commonly given for other similar diseases are given to patients who have Lewy Body Dementia, they can be harmed, not helped at all. The medications can make the situation much worse and can lead to fatalities. So it is very important that sufferers are diagnosed correctly.
Jimmy and I both encountered this issue when his father first began to have symptoms indicating that something was wrong. It was a while before he was correctly diagnosed. He was given a medication that could have harmed him if it was continued. In the course of getting him correctly diagnosed, we had to fire one doctor. And we had to stay overnight with him in the hospital to prevent him from getting out of bed, walking the halls, and being administered more of the wrong medication due to the hospital's attempt to control what he was doing. The medication made him sleep during the day, making it impossible for us to get him out of the hospital. We did get him out of the hospital by keeping him in bed that night.
Eventually he was diagnosed correctly and received the correct medications. When he first became ill, I learned about Lewy Body Dementia and I also learned how it is not well known even by many doctors. It is scary when doctors won't listen to you and someone you love may be harmed by receiving a wrong diagnosis. Knowledge makes a great deal of difference in finding the right answer. So be informed and proactive! If you think that a doctor is making a mistake, speak up, ask questions, don't be afraid to say something.
Link to Sports Collectors Digest online article about the sale.
All cards in this auction are guaranteed to be authentic, most significant cards have been graded by Beckett or PSA.
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InspectionFriday, October 18, 2013 10:00 AM - 7:00 PM and Sale Day from 8:00 A.M.
Location of Sale:Conestoga Auction Company - 768 Graystone Road - Manheim, PA 17545
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Closing Dates on eBay: October 29 & 30, 2012
We are listing 100 items on ebay that are all from an album formed by Civil War General George Hampden Crosman and his wife. The Crosman album held ninety-eight cdv photos including a number of scarce and illusive cdvs of Union Generals, a number of cdvs of Union Generals with original autographs, and a clipped salutation signature of General Alexander Hays. These listings comprise all of the items that were found in the Crosman album. We are offering all of these items individually from the album as well as the empty album.
Half of the listings will start on Friday, October 19. The second half will begin on Saturday, October 20. The listings will close on Monday and Tuesday, October 29 and 30. The hours of the closings on each night will be from 6 PM to 9:25 PM Eastern Time.
Listed below are the cdvs of the Generals, other officers and soldiers with their rank, whether or not they are signed, and our reference numbers. Also listed is the salutation signature and the album. They are listed in the order in which they will be listed on ebay.
Ref. # Name
#5800 to 5849 will close on Monday, October 29, from 6 PM to 9:25 PM Eastern Time.
#5800. Commodore James Barron
#5801. Major Theodore Winthrop
#5802. General Charles Ferguson Smith (engraving)
#5803. General David Hunter
#5804. General William Wallace Burns
#5805. General Henty Wager Halleck
#5806. General Charles Pomeroy Stone
#5807. General Edward Otho Cresap Ord
#5808. General George Archibald McCall
#5809. General William Farquhar Barry
#5810. General Kit Carson
#5811. Admiral John Adolphus Bernard Dahlgren
#5812. Admiral James Lawrence Lardner
#5813. General Alexander Stewart Webb
#5814. Commodore William David Porter
#5815. Admiral Andrew Hull Foote
#5816. Commodore Theodorus Bailey
#5817. General James Shields
#5818. General William Farrar Smith
#5819. General Alfred Howe Terry
#5820. General John Buford
#5821. Admiral Samuel Francis Dupont
#5822. General Jesse Lee Reno
#5823. General Seth Williams
#5824. Admiral David Dixon Porter
#5825. General Edwin Voss Sumner
#5826. General John McAllister Schofield
#5827. General John Alexander Logan
#5828. General George Armstrong Custer
#5829. General George Brinton McClellan
#5830. General William Buel Franklin
#5831. General Benjamin Henry Grierson
#5832. General Don Carlos Buell
#5833. Admiral John Rodgers
#5834. General George Stoneman
#5835. Admiral Oliver S. Glisson
#5836. Commodore William Inman Jr.
#5837. Admiral David Glasgow Farragut
#5838. General Lovell Harrison Rousseau
#5839. Lieutenant John Lorimer Worden
#5840. General Joseph King Fenno Mansfield
#5841. General Egbert Benson Brown
#5842. Colonel Ulric Dahlgren
#5843. General Thomas West Sherman
#5844. General Robert Anderson
#5845. General Gordon Granger
#5846. General Hugh Judson Kilpatrick
#5847. Unidentified Officer by Photographer Bogardus
#5848. Captain F. A. Elliot Zouaves
#5849. General Philip Henry Sheridan
#5850 to 5898 will close on Tuesday, October 30, from 6 PM to 9:25 PM Eastern Time.
#5850. General Nathaniel Lyon
#5851. Commodore Stephen Clegg Rowan
#5852. Admiral Samuel Livingston Breese
#5853. Commodore Donald McNeill Fairfax
#5854. Admiral Charles Wilkes
#5855. Commodore William Inman Jr.
#5856. General George Henry Sharpe
#5857. Colonel J. Heron Foster, signed
#5858. General Alexander Hays, signed
#5858A. General Alexander Hays' signature
#5859. General Cuvier Grover, signed
#5860. General James McPherson, signed
#5861. John Hicks, Veteran of 3 U.S. Wars, signed
#5862. General William Averell, signed
#5863. General James McPherson, signed
#5864. Admiral Charles Stuart Boggs
#5865. General George Sykes, signed
#5866. General Andrew Atkinson Humphreys, signed
#5867. General Winfield Scott Hancock, signed
#5868. General Thomas William Sweeny, signed
#5869. General David Sloane Stanley, signed
#5870. General Gouverneur Kemble Warren, signed
#5871. General Benjamin Alvord, signed
#5872. General Truman Seymour, signed
#5873. General John Gray Foster, signed
#5874. General Isaac Jones Wistar, signed
#5875. General John Fulton Reynolds, signed
#5876. General John Sedgwick, signed
#5877. General George Henry Thomas, signed
#5878. General James Brewerton Ricketts, signed
#5879. General Winfield Scott, signed
#5880. General Joseph Hooker, signed
#5881. General William Starke Rosecrans, signed
#5882. General Alexander Hays, signed
#5883. General Christopher Augur, signed
#5884. General Gabriel René Paul, signed
#5885. General Ambrose Everett Burnside, signed
#5886. Unidentified Lieutenant Colonel 16th PA. Inf., signed but signature difficult to read.
#5887. General James McPherson & Staff, signed by McPherson
#5888. General George Gordon Meade, signed
#5889. General Quincy Adams Gillmore, signed
#5890. General Oliver Otis Howard, signed
#5891. General Samuel Peter Heintzelman, engraving, signed
#5892. General Darius Nash Couch, signed
#5893. General Daniel Butterfield, signed
#5894. Commander George U. Morris, signed
#5895. General William Tecumseh Sherman, signed
#5896. General Ulysses S. Grant, signed, plus note from Mrs. Grant on back.
#5897. General George Hampden Crosman
#5898. Empty Civil War Photo Album of General George Hampden Crosman
This first answered question relates to factors to take into consideration in determining the value, and thus the price, of an antique mechanical bank.
August 23, 2012 Question received about our Mule Entering Barn Bank which is priced at $4,500:
Hi, dont mean to be rude but is that price for real?? i have one of these and I'd sell it to you for half that if your interested?
Thank you for your email, interest, and mention that you have a Mule Entering Barn bank for sale. I have also had examples which I have sold for one half of this price (and still would if in inventory). I have also had examples which I have sold for under one tenth or less of this price (and still would if in inventory). Actually, I have even had examples which were complete and working that I sold for as little as $285. However, just like most items that people collect the precise condition of the specific example is critical in formulating the price.
Banks are just like coins and stamps as condition is paramount in determination of price. Some coins which are $100 in one condition are $100,000 in another condition.
Several examples of Mule Entering Barn which are in identical condition and/or slightly better than ours have sold privately in the range of $6,500 to $9,500 several times. That was a few years ago when the economy was stronger and at a point that we turned down $6,500. for this exact bank as it was not for sale at that time.
Actually, I know of one example of the Mule Entering Barn that is in a collection which a friend of mine paid $16,000 for and I have offered him a profit for it. That bank is in a crisp original box and has 99.99% paint. It pays to keep in mind with banks that the the first 90% of the paint is worth less than the last 10%, the first 97% is worth less than the last 3%, and the first 99% is worth less than the last 1%.
|Antique Ideal Teddy Bear|
I've dealt in antique teddy bears for a long time. Recently I bought three nice old teddys: a white Knickerbocker from the forties, an early gold Ideal bear pictured here, and a fine black teddy bear whose maker is a mystery. Our ebay auction for the Ideal bear will be closing on July 22.
The best vintage mug shots I've ever seen. This is one. There are more in the Flickr photostream of the Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums. The criminal faces of North Shields, England.
Name: Jane Thompson AKA Gordon
Arrested for: Thief
Arrested at: North Shields Police Station
Arrested on: 13th July 1904
Tyne and Wear Archives ref: DX1388-1-35-Jane Thompson AKA Gordon
These images are a selection from an album of photographs of prisoners brought before the North Shields Police Court between 1902 and 1916 in the collection of Tyne & Wear Archives (TWA ref DX1388/1).
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